Differing views of the Lobby

November 12, 2007 at 3:44 pm 1 comment

[Imc-uk-features] Jewishness

freethepeeps at aktivix.org freethepeeps at aktivix.org
Tue Nov 6 05:45:55 PST 2007

Quoting “Cass, Noel” :

Hi again,

The point however, is that using ‘Jewish’ in sentences that talk about Jewish
power, Jewish interests etc, is inevitably going to play into the hands of
people who have less nuanced views of ‘the Jews’. So he is playing to a
certain audience whether he likes it or not.

This seems to be intentional anti-semitism vs effective anti-semitism argument
again. It kinda leaves me wondering how those with less nuanced views are going
to get more informed. And if anti-semites leap on it, it is not because of
their pre-exisiting anti-semitism?

The issue is whether we should hide it, (which means that it cannot be qualified
by comments unless the technical workaround is known by the commenteer), or
whether it should be left on the wire, where it can be challenged, and
alternative views expressed.

Is it our role to read anti-semitism into the writings of someone like Atzmon,
and then to use our own interpretation to justify closing down any discussion?

A contemporary of Atzmon’s in the provocation stakes is Peter Tatchell. His
actions have on some occassions caused offence, but there has in my view been
space on the newswire for a healthy debate about his tactics, and the
underlying politics of those actions.

I think it is far more compatible with our mission statement, that we allow the
space for dialogue, than move for the kneejerk response.

Does not the percentage of Afro-Americans in Washington prove that ‘the Blacks’ are controlling America? Or that a ‘Black lobby’ is very influential? Rice and Powell having key positions in the Government? Wouldn’t we consider that kind of talk to be dangerous nonsense?

Well, if someone was to make that argument, they would not have to deal with the
automatic response that they are echoing the canards of the protocols. On the
other hand, it would be quite easy to disprove the thesis. Jena, prisons and
New Orleans spring to mind immediately………

Chomsky may be right that the “pro-Israel lobby is just like any other lobby;
it has no special influence or place in US politics
” (1), but not everybody
buys his line.

According to Pappe:

“It is not that Israel is a sui generis case. But due to the Zionist Lobby and
Jewish money in the US it appears to be so and no other regional case of the
many cases we learned so much from Chomsky’s excellent journeys into the past
has ever constituted such a place in US policy. You probably have to be on the
receiving end of the US-Israel special alliance to understand why it is not a
typical American stance and why for re-formulating that policy you need a
special campaign and effort; one that is focused on the unprecedented power
Jews and Zionists have on America policy in the Middle East in general and
Palestine in particular. Unpleasant maybe, but nonetheless the only valid
target if indeed one believes US policy should change before peace can come to
this area.” (2)

and for Finkelstein:

“…I don’t think there’s any evidence that the is lobby was a
crucial factor in the decision for the US to go to war in Iraq and I
don’t think that there is evidence that US policy in the Middle East in
general is shaped by the lobby.

However, I do think that the lobby is a crucial factor in determining US policy
towards the Palestinians.

I don’t think it determined US policy in Iran, in Turkey or in Iraq. But
on the Israel-Palestine conflict; the building of settlements and the
colonisation of Palestine, I think it is a crucial factor.” (3)

Whilst all 3 have been accused of anti-semitism, I think that they are not
intentional anti-semites, and that it would be wrong to hide them.

best

ftp

(1)http://www.axisoflogic.com/cgi-bin/exec/view.pl?archive=144&num=21643
(2)http://ww4report.com/node/1826
(3)http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=22&ItemID=13796

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